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(Not included in actual File – it's additional Downloadable Material.)
720p and 1080p.
Entire Movie has been Re-colored
Removed Marcus on death row in correction facility seq.
Silenced Soldier yelling commands to John to often.
Removed Marcus's screams after climbing out of base
Music Altered when Marcus puts on resistance soldier uniform.
Removed General Ashdown putting gun to Connor's head. - like Theatrical Vers.
General Ashdown doesn't say “Profosied leader of the resistance”
General Losenko No longer mentions who is #1 & #2 on the Kill List.
John Connor never ask's who is #1 on the Kill list.
Medium Low Angle shot of John walking down the hall way has been cut.
Altered Music track of John and Kate hugging.
Removed Marcus walking in the desert.
Added Music to John listening to cassette of Sarah.
Sarah's dialog altered to the Original Track from Terminator.
Removed John's line "And Skynet is hunting him" (in reference to Kyle.)
Removed half of the scene between John & Kate talking about testing the signal.
Slight music variance when Kyle Reese introduces himself to Marcus.
Removed Kyle’s hand gesture to Star & her dropping shotgun, and running.
Removed Star looking down at destroyed T-600
Removed the captured terminator worm sequence.
Removed Kyle's hesitance to grab the shotgun from Marcus.
Removed Kyle's Line "Dad tried to fix it.........."
Removed John's line "I hope he's listening to this."
Removed Marcus being shocked by car battery and Star putting a bandaid on his arm.
Removed most of the conversation around the Engine between Kyle and Marcus.
Removed the Music from the Car stereo.
Removed Kyle's line "Must of heard the Music."
Removed the Terminator Scout Identifying Kyle.
Removed Star finding Lugnut Wrench T-bar and handing to Marcus.
Removed half the scene at gas station with everyone talking.
Removed Johns line about HK's searching deep into the territory
Removed Star handing flare to Marcus.
Added Music to Beginning of gas station action seq.
Removed Star handing Kyle grenade launcher.
Removed Marcus's line "Well I've been dead a while and I'm getting use to it."
Removed Kyle's conversation with passengers in the transport Vessel seq.
Moved the HK signal scene before Marcus and Blair find the Gas Station.
Silenced John's line “We gotta make sure signal works on the bigger machines.”
Color Corrected the view through John Connor's Binoculars to have a Night Vision feel.
Marcus and Blair at the gas station seq. has been cut in half. No boob's, No looking at each other, no attempted rape, no getting cosey around a fire.
Removed Kyle whispering to one of the prisoners about escape.
Removed Marcus's visions of being in Prison.
Removed Blair's line "He saved my life."
Removed Scene of prisoners being processed & Kyle being grabbed by large robotic arm.
Intercut John & Kate's scene talking about not knowing his enemies, and Blair freeing Marcus.
Added new music during Marcus and Blairs escape seq.
Added Music Que to John's line "I'll be back."
Added a 2nd Track of Guns'N'Roses to Bike sequence, very similar to T2's, to make reference.
Removed Marcus digging up digital newspaper clips on Skynet Computer.
Slight Music Variance to John's entrance into Skynet building.
Altered and Removed Certain lines and shots from Marcus's conversation with Skynet computer.
Music Variance to John's discovery of the T-800.
Added Music Que to John finding Kyle.
Altered Music of Kyle taking out a Terminator.
Added Music Track in Terminator production area.
Removed shot of John losing detonator.
Removed shot of Star picking up detonator.
Altered Music John vs T-800
Removed shot of Star handing John Connor detonator switch.
Added Music for Destruction of Skynet Facility.
Added Music to John Connor dieing seq.
Removed Marcus's speech about being human.
New ending Theme.
Terminator Salvation is a really cool movie. And I'm inclined to say it's good. I think it's a little underrated - there was a lot of good set up in the film. I believe they could've made a fantastic sequel to it, but unfortunately that won't be happening. Of course, the filmmakers only have themselves to blame for making such an undercooked product. The action sequences are fantastic, along with the whole world they've created, but they've populated it with uninteresting characters and a near brain-dead plot. But many fun blockbusters have doldrum plot lines. It really is the characters that ruin this movie.
See, the problem is that they lack basic character development. Which makes us not care about them, which makes us not care about the movie. Unfortunately this brings me to my biggest criticism of Agent9's fan edit. He cuts out many of the very few scenes in the film that actually divulge character points. Worst off in this edit is Marcus (worst off is actually John Connor who barely has a single dimension; but that's present in the original film). While cutting the prison flashback and some of his talks with Kyle and Blair might work in making him appear to be a wholly new Skynet invention (rather than the brain of a human placed in a Terminator), it robs the film of its only interesting character (well Kyle's good but he has little screen time), in a way. Agent9's new version of Marcus is interesting, but there isn't material to properly flesh him out, so to speak. Plus, we never get to really see why Kyle and Blair become friends with him.
But here I am talking about the negative, when I should really be talking about the positive, considering the high score I'm giving this. I'll be brief, though, much of my feelings have already been covered by other reviewers.
Like I said before, Terminator Salvation is cool movie. That's the best thing it has going for it. So well done to Agent9 for making it even cooler. Firstly, he's removed the glaring plot hole that is the hit list, along with some other stupid bits. Secondly, he's recolored the film, and added some choice musical selections. All this amounts to a pretty awesome edit.
While characterization has been made worse by this edit, nearly everything else has been made better. What's left is a fast and action packed Terminator thrill ride. And maybe that's the best that can come from Terminator Salvation. If so, you'll be glad to know that Agent9 has done a fine job.
OK, first up I didn't see this movie in theatres and the Blu Ray has been sitting on my shelf unwatched since I bought it. This fan edit gave me the push to finally sit down and watch the thing, and I'm glad it did.
The 720p MP4 I watched looked and sounded lovely throughout. In a couple of the shots of the command submarine I got some contrast gradient artifacting uncharacteristic of my setup, and the one really dark night scene (where they test the signal) was just this side of comfortably visible - but both were extremely minor issues in an otherwise flawless encode. Kudos on the crisp visuals and punchy sound.
Absolutely top drawer. I honestly wouldn't know this was a fan edit from the visual editing - it's extremely professionally put together. The cuts are clean and natural; and as everyone else has commented, the colour correction is wonderful. It lends the whole movie a pitch perfect atmosphere, at once post-apocalyptic and yet extremely reminiscent of the franchise. And the pacing is spot on.
If I were feeling critical, I might dock half a point for the cut to the seeker drone after they fix the car engine - something about it was visually *ever so slightly* jarring. But I think the fact that that's the WORST example of visual editing is testament to the skill employed in the edit. All round, it's visually pretty freaking seamless. Seriously nice work.
This one is actually the trickiest for me to score, oddly enough. I'm in love with the soundtrack - it totally brought the whole thing together as a Terminator flick for me. Amazing sound and musical cues, good soundstaging and brilliant little touches like the restoration of Sarah Connor's voice on the tape. Ten out of ten, right?
Unfortunately, it was let down just a little by some off levelling in some scenes. Now, as I say, I haven't seen the theatrical cut so I can't attest to how much of this is present in the original - but on the strength of this edit alone, in some scenes I definitely could have done with a little more volume on a voice here, a little less on a sound effect there, a quieter score over there. So much so that in some scenes I had to turn the volume up to catch a bit of dialogue, and then in others turn it down so as to not terrify the neighbours.
In short, it's a beautiful sounding edit which smacks the nail right on the head in terms of overall tone, but which is just a tiny bit rough around the edges. Nonetheless, I couldn't honestly say those minor issues detracted from the experience - and I'd almost certainly recommend this cut for the sound alone!
I feel like, from reading previous reviews, I should have something negative to say about the plot. But based solely on this cut, it totally worked for me. Everything I'd been worried about... I forgot. It took me on a crazy Terminator ride. Marcus was an intriguing element, it was largely believable (well, y'know), there weren't any glaring plot holes, it was a bit Hollywood in places but never more cheesy than awesome, and generally the machines and the humans both came across as knowing what they were doing.
I especially liked what Agent 9 did to convey a sense that the machines didn't yet know the significance of Kyle Reese - it genuinely felt like that was an ace the resistance had up their sleeves, what with Skynet being so singularly obsessed with John Connor. (I actually got that sense during the movie, and only on reading the cut list afterward realised no-one who saw the theatrical cut would have felt the same - how cool is that!?) Sublime.
As if I need to say more here. Still not the best movie ever made, and not even close to being the best Terminator movie - but I like it a lot more than the theatrical cut of T3, and might even, as I'm feeling pretty stoked about it still, place it pretty much on a par with T1. And that's pretty high praise indeed.
Well done, Agent 9!
Agent 9's re-working of key scenes in this edit does a lot to help resolve the many issues this film has. Marcus' new "origin" works well (The less we know about his past the better IMO) and the narrative flows a lot better. The original music cues are a nice touch, and the removal of Star as the walking talk Swiss army knife also works well. What I like most though it the re-colouring. It looks a LOT better. Thumbs up for this one.
Pretty much exactly what ssj wrote.
The intro credits were very well done.
Some music changes were too obvious and distracted me from the movie experience.
The bitrate of the 720p version was not high enough in the darker scenes, which caused very visible artifacts.
This was a good fanedit, the changes all improve on the original, but it does not make this a great or even good movie and this will have been (if there is not another even more daring fanedit) the last time I have willingly watched any of it.
Perhaps my expectations were too high on this one; the superhigh ratings from the others, who watched it, tempted me.
I really, really, really wanted to enjoy myself with this edit, to experience the magic of T1 & T2 all over again, or the magic of watching Uncanny Antman's sublime version of T3.
And Agent9 did a great job of hosing away tons of crap—needless scenes, useless dialogue. The addition of classic terminator tunes also improved the tone of the film, though the volume was a bit high in some places.
Unhappily, the theatrical version has so many issues that it would be difficult to hose them all away. It's like the movie has a core crap holding chamber, ginormous and sealed and possibly impervious to fanediting. A monstrous terminator appears silently out of nowhere to snatch resistance fighters in the desert, apparently in the mere service of a surprise moment and a cartoony action sequence (which made me yearn for the brilliance and natural flow of action in the first three terminator films); John Connor throws caution to the wind and mentions the names of his mother and father to a machine he suspects is a terminator, for the sake of dumb exposition (but without Connor's indiscretion, the whole rescue-Kyle-Reese plot cannot be set in motion); terminator worms are swimming not far from Connor's base, even though such machines should have alerted their heavier-duty brethren long before the movie started; resistance air bases are out in the open where any aerial survey could find them. And why aren't terminators continually syncing their data with the network, i.e., why isn't any contact with a terminator shortly followed by a wave of killing machines coming down on a human's ass? Is it wise to detonate nuclear devices while hovering in a helicopter over prime mushroom cloud territory? And how much of this silliness could be removed without disrupting storytelling coherence?
I applaud Agent9 for doing a tremendous job salvaging what he could from a serious mess of a movie. Terminator Salvation gave me a headache; The T4 Cut was very watchable. I'd rank the theatrical release a 2/10 on the enjoyjoy scale and Agent9's version considerably higher, which has me very much looking forward to his future fanediting projects, especially if they're based on better substrate.
Enjoyjoy: 7.5 pelvic aerothrusts, rounded up.